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P-47 Thunderbolt vs Bf 109G/K: Europe 1943-45 By: Martin Bowman Paperback 80 Pages. The American fighter pilot spotted two indistinct shapes cutting diagonally across a road just slightly above and in front of him. The email address for your Ubisoft account is currently: We have sent you an e-mail to enable you to verify your email address. Edited by Ceejay73 on Monday 29th December 21:27. mk1fan. Lots of P38 talk here, so I'll offer the dissenting opinion. And while the P-47 could reach altitudes in excess of 40,000 feet (12,000 … Colonel J.L. The Thunderbolt was equally powerful. Clearly the -51 has had the limelight. The Lowell vs. Galland story is an old chestnut. By Chuck Hawks and Rip Collins. The zero is very nimble, but the twin engined p38 can out climb. The Republic P-47 Thunderbolt is a World War II-era fighter aircraft produced by the American aerospace company Republic Aviation from 1941 through 1945. it is annoying to fly the P38 against the tiny planes of the Germans and the Soviets. The P38 was a much better fighter at high altitudes than well any other aircraft of tthe second world war. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. The pilots also loved the P38, it was a rugged plane, and it was leathal. The P47 was undoubtedly improved over time with the later, Republic-built, bubbletop D-25, -27, … Fw190 would have the edge on the Me109. Now, when i use these planes I get put into the 'Tier'(?) Fw-190 vs P-47 bf-109. [Last Edit: 7/28/2004 9:01:21 PM EST by CFII], [Last Edit: 7/28/2004 9:04:29 PM EST by Leisure_Shoot], [Last Edit: 7/28/2004 9:06:52 PM EST by inferno715], [Last Edit: 7/28/2004 10:09:06 PM EST by vito113], [Last Edit: 7/28/2004 10:16:51 PM EST by GunSlingAR]. It's extra power also allowed it to carry 250 and 500 pound bombs, but that really cut down on its range, so was not done much. You can also see the intakes on the booms. The 47s were the first fighters with the  range to escort the bombers on longer range missions. For my money the DeHaviland Mosquito was the best combo fighter/bomber around in WW11. Verifying your email address also improves the security of your Ubisoft account, helps us provide you better support, and ensures you don't miss out on exclusive content, newsletters, and other special offers. Comparison of P51 versus P47 & P38 (ca 1943), Comparison of P51 versus P47 & P38 (ca 1943) | Forums, http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2...llEnglish.html. - QuietShootr. Me109 has advantage over p40. P-47 vs. Japanese Zero question(s) Discussion in 'Horn Depot' started by El Sapo, Jan 6, 2008. 190 and corsair are even. The P-47 was built by Republic Aircraft. The three aircraft mentioned were not all fighters alone. A significant part of that mail has suggested that I should have included the P-47 Thunderbolt instead of, or in addition to, the P-51 Mustang. F-35 Lightning II vs Chengdu J-10; This is a very good example of how pilots misjudge the abilities of the enemy plane - almost always, when a pilot shotdowns a plane he thinks that the enemy plane had poor performance, if he gets shot he will say that his own plane had poor performance, like there is … "No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation". A funny point to add is that the p38 had a yoke, not a stick, for flight control. (in the same way that the difference between a P51B and a P51C is simply one of where it was built). P38 was decreed by the USAAF to be too expensive for a role which the cheaper P 47 and the much cheaper P 51 filled arguably more effectively. The Germans called it :The Forked Tailed Devil". P-47 vs Fw190: P36? Only three things are certain: death, taxes and stupid gun laws. It had few rivals for speed at any altitude, and also few rivals for manuevering. Gimme a compare contrast to the P-47 & P-38. There's a more elaborate version giving more detail, and while it has been years I went over this, Lowell's date for the story is early 1944, so it can't have been a long-nosed Fw 190 and it can't have been Galland. P-38s could fly back with one engine shot out. Its simple economics. P-38…… the 'engineering' solution, P47… the 'brute power' solution. since Major Bong grew up where i live, i'm going to say P-38. 185 months. The P-47 climbed like a homesick angel and dived for the deck like a rock. It could move fast. The Tempest was a thoroughbred air combat fighter and arguably the war’s best piston engined fighter, only really the FW190-D9 or TA-152 or Spit XIV get anywhere near. All Rights Reserved. I know both were fast as hell & the P-38 had older tech set-ups by the time the P-47 came along. I live in a modest home with an immodest array of firearms. They look like round discs on the top of the booms. It was an early-model, Razorback D (a D-10 to be precise) built by Curtiss rather than Republic. El Sapo Bevo's BFF Sponsor. Laughlin, of the 362nd Fighter Group, smokes a cigar with his dog mascot “Prince” inside the cockpit of his P-47D serial 44-33287 “Five By Five” (coded B8-A) A two-seat P-47 Thunderbolt nicknamed “Astra” of the 365th Fighter Group. Bf-109 vs P-47 p-38-lightning. I am trying to do some research for a short story I am writing but it is going painfully slow due to my slightly-better-than-dial-up connection out here in the country. But, of course, both Thunderbolts had the same father. Its primary armament was eight .50-caliber machine guns, and in the fighter-bomber ground-attack role it could carry five-inch rockets or a bomb load of 2,500 lb (1,100 kg). The 51 was closest to a pure fighter the 38 was close too but had a strong ground attack and the 47 was almost never used as a fighter it was close air support. Probably because my dad flew thew before switching to B-17's. Third, expression of NOX-2 and the subunit, p47 phox phosphorylation (Ser345), was significantly increased in SHR (note that the phosphorylation of p47 phox Ser345 is required for NOX-2 activation 20 and is induced by activation of ERK-1/2 or p38 MAPK 21). The P-47 hands down. All IMHO ofcourse. F-82 Twin Mustang vs P-38 Lightning (Edgar Schmued vs Kelly Johnson) Lockheed's Kelly Johnson certainly was a genius, but North American Aviation's Edgar Schmued designed a superior twin-engine fighter. Ok, you flyboys. Despite its considerable mass, the P-47’s 18-cylinder, 2,600-horsepower Pratt & Whitney R-2800 Double Wasp engine (the same power plant used by the Vought Corsair and Grumman Hellcat) enabled the unwieldy Jug to keep pace with the Mustang.Both had a top speed of around 440 mph (700 km/h). If this email address is not valid, or you no longer have access to it, you can update your account details at https://account.ubisoft.com or visit support.ubi.com to open a support ticket. P-38, fighter and fighter-bomber employed by the U.S. Army Air Forces during World War II. The 38 was dangerous to fly with its windows open. Cancel Reply. Especially below 10.000 feet the P-47 feels like a dog compared to the other two. Very fast,( it could outrun an ME109) could climb high, very manuverable and could carry ( and did) a small bomb load for ground attack. . The Lightning in the Pacific theater had no rivals, the 47 had did have competition with the FW190. vs the zero. But, it is faster in a dive and carries that speed longer. Very closely matched, but very different advantages. Hi Guys, I must say that i enjoy the new additions very much, but after some testing, i have a slight feeling that both the P-51 and even the P-38 outshine the P-47 at lower altitudes by quite a large margin. Of the three outstanding Army fighters of the war (the others being the P-47 Thunderbolt Your email address will not be published. The P38 Lightning was a great fighter bomber, fast, long range, manuverable. Both were great planes with some of the most advanced  aeronautical engineering of the day incorporated in their airframes and powerplants. More photos P-47 of the 325th Fighter Group 345th Fighter Squadron, 350th Fighter Group, 12th Air Force. A design is a team effort, still, Schmued deserves much credit, since he drew the first drawing of the Twin Mustang with which he was awarded a US patent (#D144,938 in June 4, 1946). The 47 used a radial engine. 6, D and E). A large and powerful aircraft, it served as a bomber escort, a tactical bomber, and a photo-reconnaissance platform. Cat the hairer meat! AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. the P38 is almost as big as the transport planes it is quite easy to hit it even with the tanks. A fairly lightweight fighter, the USAAC was intrigued and moved the project forward as the XP-47 and XP-47A. P40 Kitty hawk, P38, A20, P40, F6F and others in that area. P-47 vs Spitfire f4u-corsair. As I recall it carried four fifty caliber machine guns in the nose, as well as a cannon of some sort, Being that the guns were all in a central location they didn't have to be angled inwards to provide a tight pattern at long range, which gave it a distinct advantage in dogfights (your bullets went straight in front of you, unlike planes whose guns are on the wings which are angled so that the line of fire converges at about a thousand yards, the range may be different but I recall the theory well enough). 9,886 posts. WillowRun, both the P38 and the P47 were capable of carrying nearly as much ordnance as a medium bomber, as well as excellent high altitude performance. P47 is a harder plane to fly from the get-go, but is superior in the long run. They got regulated to ground support when the Mustangs appeared. The japs hated it. The deadly firepower was totally destructive. This is my sigline, there are many like it but this one is mine. I'm gettin to like the new improved beekeeper - 50% less tightass! Also it has enough ammo and fuel to loiter and spray and pray, and maintains better control authority at … Don't be afraid of BDU pants, they are just pants after all. If its not going to be visible forget the p38 altogether. Both on paper and in practice they were equal planes. The Republic P-47 Thunderbolt is a single-engine single-seat fighter and fighter-bomber aircraft produced by the US-American manufacturer Republic Aviation Corporation. In order to be more efficient in your search, in what forum do you want to search ? Copyright © 1996-2020 AR15.COM LLC. It was actually capable of power diving to near supersonic speeds (which killed many pilots in its early days, they actually had to install special flaps that could be deployed to get out of fast dives, without the flaps the sonic wave would buffet the aircraft severly and the tails would come apart as it approached the sped of sound). In addition, when compared with that of the control group, the translocations of cytosolic Rac1, p47 phox, and p67 phox to membranes were observed after anisomycin treatment, which was also blocked by inhibition of p38 (Fig. Please read and follow the instructions provided to complete this process. Corsair and Fw190 would be fairly even, ditto for the Hellcat The D version with the tear drop canopy made it much better especially in combat. P-47 vs F4U Prev Next . The Lockheed P-38 Lightning is an American single seated, piston-engined fighter aircraft that was used during World War II.Developed for the United States Army Air Corps, the P-38 had distinctive twin booms and a central nacelle containing the cockpit and armament. Republic was acquired in 1965 by Fairchild, which became Fairchild Republic, manufacturer of … In bomber escort, all 3 were involved all the way to the end. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. I've always liked the Thunderbolts better. From sea level, the P-51B gradually gains on the P-38J and the P-47D until, at 16,000 ft. it has a speed of about 420 mph which is about ten mph faster than the … It climbs and turns slower. P47: One Pratt and Whitney R-2800-21 engine rated at 2,000 hp Empty: 10,710 lb Maximum Takeoff: 16,215 lb Performance Speed: 433 mph (697 km/h) Ceiling: 42,000 ft -- P-47D Range: 1,725 miles (2,776 km) 8 m2 .50 caliber MG's Both are large fighters. and the other fighters need one shot of the high explosives to shoot an american pilot out of the cockpit. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. Leave A Reply. I don't feel as though the role of the P-47 has really ever been portrayed accurately as there is a clear bias in the mind of the public as it relates to being able to recognize the role of the -47 vs. the -51. II battles, which is fine by me, but if I swap my BR3.3 P38 out for my BR3.0 P47, I go into Tier III games...the P47 is a tier III plane with a lower BR than my TII P38. Assume the German DEDICATES to climbing You are NOT getting above him How do you win a fight as a US pilot at the 4.7-5.0 tier Assume the German doesnt make any GLARING mistakes either Any tactic RELYING on your enemy making a mistake, is a bad tactic Celebrated as one of the Pacific War’s best fighters, Lockheed’s Lightning earned a less-than enviable reputation in European air combat. I love the sleek looks of the Lightning, it was a powerful aircraft. You had to close the canopy or weird flight characteristics would show up. P38s did have superchargers on their Allisons, they are visible in the booms. A contract was awarded in November 1939, however the USAAC, watching the early months of World War II, soon concluded that the proposed fighter was inferior to current German aircraft.As a result, it issued a new set of requirements which included a minimum airspeed of 400 … The 47 was tough as nails but flew like a brick. In order to create threads, posts, and interact with the Ubisoft forums you need to have a Ubisoft account with a verified email address. While I love the P-38 (as I love nearly all old airplanes), I have to go with the P-47. What the F4U could do that they couldn't do was take off and land from a carrier. My article "The Best Fighter Planes of World War II" has attracted more than its share of e-mail from readers. P-38 vs P-47 p-47-thunderbolt. This was due to the mighty power of its air-cooled, turbo-supercharged Double Wasp engine, combined with a brutish barrel-shaped airframe. Carl. CAPTCHA Code * Recent Posts. So step off! 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